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	Worlock (Tweaker God) 10-11-00 20:11 No 59240		Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			I n reply to: Dunno if you're still using this acct. but I have question regarding an emulsion the size of texas, this thingg took up the whole polar....Get back to me:: positron@scientist.com -mnm Yep Still use this Just finished a big project on this related to a bees report that the methanol was causing oxidation in his product, and it led into emulsions and the caused a big stir among many of people. I'll assume you are speaking about meth emulsions  because the -OH on the E molecule makes it more water soluble than Meth it tends to have a different look and other problems. And this method isprimarily a post rteaction technique. Actually, both molecules are mostly made up of hydrocarbons which would be non-polar. but because of the nitrogen =NH they are capable of hydrogen bonding a very strong, ionic bond with water, mediated mostly by the activity of Chlorine, or sulfate,or whatever anion is being used. The point is is that in addition to pH, the concentration of the anions is extremely important as to how water or oil soluble these amines will be. The emulsions are usually a mixture of waxes,water, fuel and damaged ephedrine and meth molecules often  wrapped around an air bubble. This is why many bees say there is nothing of value in an emulsion , yet others of us feel that there is something there, only it has a problem. If the E or M molecule has been under the influence of an oxidizing environment, such as hot methanol, ethanol, water , peroxide and other things(we know it has) then there is a tendency to break apart the ring structure or form an alcohol on the carbon ends of the molecule. or form a polymrer bridge between two nitrogens, or any of the dozens of potential break points can join to another molecule and form and an oxide side chain or link together chains of damaged molecules In addition to making the molecule more polar, and generally making it useless for our purposes,  the formation of the  polymere of an oxygen bridging together to two molecules at the nitrogen or almost any free end. Whatever the  case the molecules attract ions that make them more water soluble , producing a low yield and a larger emulsion. This is even more evil because not only are these oxides carcinogenic,  but they stink,  and blacken your pipe , and I suspect some actually counter act the effect of meth, and can make you sleepy, I am almost certain of this. AS I have eheard of peoplem taking some Meth and then yawning and becoming tired. Preventative measures then are the reduction of high temperatures when evaporating solvents, by using the hair dryer to suppliment heat from below, and simply taking more time to let the stuff evaporate. Peroxide is a mixed package, it may increase oxidation but it will also dissolve some of those oxygen briges that are making your meth into what many would desribe as a simple form of plastic. hehehehe Primary to correcting this if it has already occurred is  known as ker plunking - I'll explain the name later. Take the reaction mixture once complete,  filter out the phos. Add a large  amount of naptha or toluine to the water based acidic reaction mixture. By a large amount, I mean a lot, at least as much fuel as there is water then add 20% additional fuel above the 100% you just added. It is a game of concentratrations  of ions and chems and your in it to WIN. Add a reasonable amount of  NaOH not enough to make the freebase but close to it say a about pH 10 of the water solution. Bring the whole thing slowly up to a boil, add in a  few  pieces of activated charcoal or small pieces of broken glass, this causes a much more even boil and is to prevent the bumping of big gas bubble forming. This big gas bubble was how the technique became known as ker-plunking , but it is best to avoid that ker plunk because it could blow out the flask When you have a nice steady easy generation of gas bubbles rising from the water moving up to the fuel layer (this is best with naphtha) then you will begin repairing some of the damaged molecules of meth they rise in the bubble and hit the hot naptha , this often will free the molecule of the ion that is causing the breach in the ring or whatever  and absorbs the meth it into the hydrocarbon fuel layer,  where it is bathed in exactly what it needs, hydrogens and carbons without heavy ionic pull. tHE METH SOON GOES BACK INTO THE WATER SOLUTION, THAT IS WHY YOU NEED A LOT OF FUEL SO THE METH MOLECULE will spend enough time traviling throught the naptha to get fixed, naptha is a mixture of hydrocarbons, that mixture works best. Ever so carefully add a few drops of peroxide now and theN KEEP ADDING NAoh TO RAISE THe pH , this takes time (up to an hour). You  can see the crap coming off the speed, sometimes , often it is an iodide atom attached or a chlorine, or some wax or just two or more meth molecules stuck together that break free of each other. AS you might expect the final product from this , will be much cleaner and a damn good buzz. Needless to say caution is important , eye protection is a must and precautions to prevent fire are extremely important Continue adding a liitle peroxide and some NaOH, until you reach the point where the lower water layer turns a milky white, that is the meth finally becoming a freebase. Stop let it cool , a little bit swirl in some more NaOH tO BE SURE YOU HAVE HIt A pH over 12.5, let is sit and separate, You should  end up with a mirrored interface surface, emulsion free , and as a bonus for doing this time consuming, hot and potentially dangerous proceedure will be a great yield of some of the highest quality  dope imaginable. By using this method, and /or recrystalization and/or steam distillation , the quality of the product goes right through the roof. THis is what some of the old timers swear by,  but they are rarely sure why they do things,  they just do 'em,  cause that is how they learned Worlockium www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html
	Pyros (Newbee) 10-11-00 20:19 No 59244		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Yes indeed, that pristine mirror is the stuff that dreams are made out of. And the 'dope' produced following the advice of The Great One (Worlock) is indeed the best to be had anywhere.
	PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN) 10-12-00 02:07 No 59298		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Arrg I musta kinda screwup here umm but still [produced great dividends maybe evn less recovered...um nedd to figure out why that stuff balls up like a coloid, furthermore this reaction lacked the luster of the last........allthough it could be detected after a tone wssh and finally wasses kinda clean after a few hot washes w/ tone and meoh this meoh seems to pull the suggar off or something anys I now go by flavor....the aci salt seem to become pyrolysed and then become freebase??? due to ashes. um so what I wana do is get repeat instead of cake i wana little balls to rool up so there is needed a great paln of conquest. A010
	PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN) 10-12-00 09:28 No 59400		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Kerplunking works:) also used cacl then basified from meoh/yone into napatha ummm well there was a bit less recovered the rea; interesting thing when going backwards is that it can snow in that np lkayer that is pretty cool.. A010
	SuNNySide (Hive Bee) 10-12-00 09:45 No 59407		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Could this be dun on product that has alredy been finished? To improve it. What would the prosses be ? just wana stop yawning!!!!!!! Put that in you'r pipe and smoke it. whats that noise? sshhhhhhh!
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 10-12-00 12:43 No 59444		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			I was just telling mnm about this and had no way to tell him why because I did untill now know what was going on, other than a few minor diffrences and the killer reason to why this is what to do. I called it washing the HI, never would I have imagened the repairing of molicules was going on. I'm glad he posted this problem to you, even though it's not the emulshion he was refuring to, It was more than likley it was there too, I believe he had a polimer slip through from the few hours we talked about it. I'll let him discribe it scence it was the kids around there that seen it first hand. I cant wait for you next post on incressing yield from P/P to 85%, you know with all these birch babys round here, they even got hillbillys doing it, hahahahahhaa  Very good information, this should open everyones eyes to yield's incressing. Thank you for this indepth look into the Unknown. The End Result is Directly Connected to the Effort Applied. This includes Life,
	notfman (Hive Bee) 10-12-00 12:59 No 59447		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			I think I must bee misunderstanding something (as usual) but, wouldn't this preclude steam distillation since the NP has already been added?
	PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN) 10-13-00 14:17 No 59676		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Steam dist not attempted yet.... Anyways the only feasable solution has been to wash prewash rinse with solvent of choice ???? if ya were to hot rinse in meoh how soluable is the stuff?? dex sulp dont seem to soluable???  um oh dear it is partly soluable so ya must crash it out with tone mixture so the basic thing would be to heat it up in a tone meoh mixture and then bubble this into a np then remove this np and remove all the soluable stuff then basify finalyy heating it up into the nonpolar layer, now the cool thing was when adding the cacl calst while so dreaming it snowed XTYL clear into the non polar solution and it was a beautiful xtyline latice looking like snowflakes.....however when poofing the freebase up and out w./ addation of lye to the steaming mix as previosly described a think viscious emulsion was removed easilly and it was positive for potency...however one could also just raise the freebase and gass and then evap or put into water, it just is not convient at this time to be thinking non,cyclotron device at this time.....so next experiments shall rely on these new dividends this need be next the magnesium/zinc salts? will these ball up propperly into the right configereation or did i miss something as per ussual, either steam distill or centrifuge i am guessing this centrifugation will solve these suggar problems now that they have been reduced and or elliminated problem number one susspect due to washing attempts to wash fiber and suggar only sucessfull at a loss percent of total possible yield this is bothersome, what about a electronic or membranous filter just to remove that fat buly fiber,,I know sand filter but the reactions are truelly micro. A010
	wayupnorth (Hive Bee) 10-13-00 17:39 No 59717		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Has anyone here tried deaeration as part of the extraction process.  I am curious as to possible benifits of using spinning vane with vacuumn deaeration in regards to increased managebility of all emulsions with near elimination of some.  As most would not have ground glass for stirring and vacuumn in a seperatory funnel, it would seem investigation of using a mag stirrer, with lets say, a top stoppered vacuumn flask filtration the strongest vacuumn one would normally have available might not be worth investigating.  Most the emulsion I run into seem to be, as W just said, real airy in nature.  To think of it so were the cottage cheese ones.      Lots more thoughts than available time.  Phed up, or MaHaung over ?  TODAY ONLY  Judge reeks havoc within !
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 10-16-00 03:22 No 60351		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Worlock, Followed the procedure you laid out to the mark. Currently pushing it back to the polar as I post this. I might be posting the 85% yield write up judging by the amount of HCl added and the pH, I’m curious about the second or third pull. Do you even need one. It seems the second pull is very week with base. The interface was a sheet of glass, It was just as you said. When a drop of 3% H202 hit it, debre displaced and bubbling was intense until a swirl displaced it. It would turn black and vanish in the lower layer, at one time I could have swore ribbons of smoke was spiraling up through the non-polar. Looking through the layer at first was waves of heat, towards the end it had that wrinkly look, loaded. Any thing here out of the ordinary so far? The End Result is Directly Connected to the Effort Applied. This includes Life,
	SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 10-16-00 23:31 No 60562		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Mirrorsville man! And with fucking Sudafed too! Can't wait to check the yield.
	Worlock (Tweaker God) 10-19-00 06:12 No 61177		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			The kerplunk is done with the filtered but crude acidic reaction mixture. ************ If you have refined product in HCl salt form,  that you wish to clean up,  a recrystalization is the way to go, Take the meth salt , dissolve in a minimum amount of alcohol, If it stays cloudy, first dilute it with more alcohol then filter it Boil off some of the aclcohol until the meth just begins to show any sign of crystal formation,  add a little alcohol (drop wise) to make the meth fully dissolve again while still hot , add in 20 ml of acetone and put in freezer for at least 6 hours, 12+ hours is much better Remove from freezer and filter ice cold as fast as you can, then while still in the filter after the fluid has been drained off lightly wash the surface of the crystals with a small amount of cold alcohol. Simply add enough cold alcohol to remove the surface residue and strip away the outer layer, of the crystal, it will have some conntaminents in it, This will produce some prime quality gogo. The filter fluid and wash fluid  has meth in it, do an A/B on it to clean it up, it is some nasty shit Worlockium
	Worlock (Tweaker God) 10-19-00 06:21 No 61179		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Correct,  if you were to kerplunk then  steam distillation would not need to be done , unless you wanted to, The Non-polar fuel would create a problem with the steam since initially various fractions of the fuel would come across one at a time, then fuel and  meth  mixed, I would imagine. A thermometer would come in real handy. But I have never steamed out the non polar , so that would be only a guess, No big deal though,  the salt would be made as normal and it should be real clean. The kerplunk  result in a very, very,  fine product. You of course,  still must  use the separatory funnel do a couple of water washes then make the HCl salt by the adding the HCl/water and evaporate, and your done . Some very sweet meth. Worlockium
	Worlock (Tweaker God) 10-19-00 06:23 No 61181		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Jacked yeah mnm had a different problem all together Worlockium
	Worlock (Tweaker God) 10-19-00 06:54 No 61186		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Jacked Intreresting with the color changes, that is a good indication of how much iodide ion is in the mixture, when the peroxide hits it. The ker-plunk can be done with out peroxide and just using the NaOH But a little peroxide seems to do something prtty wild. 2nd and 3rd pulls??? depends , I rarely get anything out of them, once the mixture is pH-ed below 8.0,  and you have shaken it well,  and the pH is stable, your not going to get a 2nd or 3rd pull. I will hit it with a good shot of HCl  , evaporate it , the fumes will kill you for maybe a gram of nasty mostly table salt, with a little meth in it. But I have seen those that THE SECOND PULL IS THE MAJOR pull, and I guess it tells you something about the first pull, they did . It was superficial and will have pulled some of the cream off the top and should be quite good for personal stash. There are as many ways to do it as there are cooks and many cooks never do it the same way twice. The only people you can point a finger at , are those that screw up and get nothing. But hell we never walked down that road...errr....duh.... willingly . Worlockium
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 10-19-00 08:21 No 61196		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Quite right on the pull, -0- on the second pull. I was impressed with that, alittle worried at first, but for nothing as it turns out About the peroxide, I wasn't sure about the amount and didn't want to go heavy knowing of its power over E, now I know the meth molacule is strong but not understanding exactly what was going on I just added a drop every 5 mins or so, did not want to see how much it would take for a color change. Could you give some guide lines or ratios on the addition of the 3% peroxide. I say there is a lot more to say here concerning yield I believe. Wont say yet but let a few more go down like this one and I'll be rushing back to tell all what Jacked done. hehehe The End Result is Directly Connected to the Effort Applied. This includes Life,
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 10-19-00 08:21 No 61197		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Radio Edit The End Result is Directly Connected to the Effort Applied. This includes Life,
	PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN) 10-19-00 11:17 No 61241		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Best of the best was very speedy and halucinolike, came on and disseapeared?  ever huff gas? Um very much like huffing gass high transedential rush up and down to flatliner>...ver slight distirting visuals eyes closed, feeling of elevator musical overtures.......used pinkeye susspect this catalyst......ch3-cn-co added as per w/amine was heated and deprotected at the nh part ussing um stuff like iron stain remover made glass of it a few times allready.....now interested in si-B wo oxylate addations deprotected amine part  sulph apparently intact at para, proaly this is a vey small sample 1mg in regular mix total dose ten mg   I allways kerplunked it, I am looking foreward to the vacume actuated devices. thaks for the write up again. thigngs happen here at nh ring ring ring \  s  ! s  /   111-tri this part protected a very strange transition state apparenty due to perixidation or ethrification or bolth....due to hooh/yp thus the wanted tranformation is possible up upon the amine there which is not the ussual situation i susspect, um soluable into meoh supprissingly so very soluable from a fresh bottle very much so. Makes pure d-meth i susspect:) caboxylate acid sulfite Amethystium
	gemini33 10-20-00 02:52 No 61478		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Worls You said, "... The filter fluid and wash fluid  has meth in it, do an A/B on it to clean it up, it is some nasty shit " My question is is this "nasty shit" nasty in a good way or bad way?? I mean is it worth the effort to go back through the a/b  process considering the better product is already is crystals?? Just wondering sweetie... xoxoxo gemini
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 10-20-00 05:06 No 61502		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Yes every thing done is worth the effort, and nasty is nasty, I all goes into the pot for purification & recrystalizing, The little things done = bigger yield ##'s. The End Result is Directly Connected to the Effort Applied. This includes Life,
	gemini33 10-20-00 09:04 No 61587		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Jacked, Thank you for clarifying that "Nasty is Nasty"...hehehe...I like that I also have two additonal questions 1) Is there any advantage to using MEOH over ETOH?? If given the choice is there a preference? 2) Worls says 6- 12 hours in the freezer works great,...has anyone tried reducing that crystalization time by supercooling with either dry-ice, a -70 lab freezer (if available) or maybe even liquid nitrogen to form crystals?? just a wonderin xoxo gemini
	ChimChim9 (Hive Bee) 11-07-00 03:31 No 67136		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Worlock, this is such a killer thread it just has to be brought up to the top again. Now that SWIM has an audience here is a ? that may be pertainent to Ker Plunking. This past weekend SWIM had the pleasure of meeting an elder dreamer who had been fixing chili for 40+ years.  During the course of our conversation/lab tour (WOW!) a 5 gallon carbouy was pointed out.  The 3/4 full vessel was filled with what appeared to be that annoying emulsion layer.  SWIM was then told that when the carbouy gets full his new accquaintance would either retire or take one hell of a vacation because ..."there is an absolute fucking shitpile of mighty mean rocket fuel in that thing."  That was exactly what was said.  Later, in passing the chef referred to the carbouy as a lye jug. So,....my question is would that carbouy be Ker Plunked to get the Go, or is SWIM not tall enough to ride that ride?  Let alone understand what was being briefly explained to him.  Another question is, why on earth would someone keep that much fixings around only to add the special sauce at the 5 gal mark? SWIM has Ker Plunked only as of lately, with glorious results, (Thanks, Worlock!!!!) so he has a fairly good idea of what's going on in his honeycomb.  As for the carbouy thing, SWIM has alot of unanswered questions he was unable to ask his host on account of common courtesy.  Yes, I believe it was couriosity that killed the cat. Any light would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, CC9 Helping Bees Who Help Themselves
	placebo (irritable and cranky) 11-10-00 09:45 No 68178		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Ok, SWIM hasn't done much of anything lately, due to pills being all but gone. But recently aquired some to do a personal batch, 2.5oz. Now, he was thinking of trying this kerplunking thing people have been raving about. But upon rereading the procedure, he realises that it is a fix for the problem of emulsions upon working up the post-reaction mix. So apparently it serves no purpose if ones post rxn mix already displays a seperation like glass. Yes? I can only imagine that most emulsions would be caused by impurities from pills that have followed thru reaction. Which brings us back to the importance of proper cleaning of pills for better, higher yielding rxns with easier work-up. I imagine the emulsion being due to damaged molecules being pretty rare, and even then... What causes it? Worlock? Wanna do the rumpy pump?
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 11-10-00 09:48 No 68179		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Referring to: SWIM has Ker Plunked only as of lately, with glorious results  Share with us the results you have gotten.  Jacked is working on doing a write up on this a is curious as to your findings. I think this extra step is well worth the extra time it takes and if its calculated time it takes no extra. Have No Problems, only Solutions
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 11-10-00 17:23 No 68281		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Well now placebo, Tell me this. 90% moler yield, 90%, why in a PUSH PULL is the yields so much lower, Hell 80% yield on the long reflux, Were is the ballance. I have been dealing with NO emulishions But have incresed my yield from advarge 55% to 60% to a steady climing 73%, and it seems to pick up every time its done. I do believe switching to FB and a little more refining I will see a 75+ % yield (By Weight)within the next few cooks. not bad for a 1hr cook is it.  There is more to this than dealing with an emulishion, But untill you see for yourself I suspect nothing will change your view. I just wish it was made up of something other than reading a post, Like trying it. One more thing, I rembember when a simple water extraction was all it took for factory clean E. Pre Gack. Why was this a method of those days, I don't see it as a problem fix, but one more tool to incress yield. The one pull monty. Have No Problems, only Solutions
	mnm (Hive Bee) 12-05-00 14:07 No 72633		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Funny thing, think kids may have localized the problem to the NaOH used. This time around it was "Red Devil" rather than the regular ACS GRADE, this was "BRAND NEW" devil from the store. Theory is that they've added some sort of emulsifier to the NaOH. Seems that the minute it comes in contact with NP it produces this jelly. Any reports on similar situations to verify this assumption would be appreciated...Though not required, since kids will be using good ole' ACS GRADE from here on out. -mnm
	fudgemonkey (Hive Bee) 12-06-00 05:03 No 72691		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Referring to: Funny thing, think kids may have localized the problem to the NaOH used. I SERIOUSLY doubt that to be the case. The "jelly" in the NP would be a sodium/iodine complex emulsion, most likely. An emulsifier added to NaOH would cause serious problems with caking in the lye. Besides, NaOH is about 350 bucks a containerload, I dont think they are gonna adulterate it with something costing them 1000 times as much by volume. Nice try though. This post in no way demonstrates Fudgemonkey's recommendation of any RED DEVIL brand products. Fudgemonkey uses and endorses only PELS brand food grade 100% Naoh Prills. Pricing and availability upon request
	Mystic (Hive Bee) 12-06-00 13:37 No 72855		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Most emulsions simply come from people shaking the sep funnel too hard...  Shake it lighty and it will take longer to mix it but it'll be less of a pain in the ass.. IMHO It's all relative my dear Watson...
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-06-00 16:53 No 72927		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			hahahahaha, I don't think your gonna wanna shake a hot flask with a bubbling naphtha layer to much, But you are right, thats not the reason for going through this process, in my book anyway. Like the man said Referring to: If the E or M molecule has been under the influence of an oxidizing environment, such as hot methanol, ethanol, water , peroxide and other things(we know it has) then there is a tendency to break apart the ring structure or form an alcohol on the carbon ends of the molecule. or form a polymer bridge between two nitrogens, or any of the dozens of potential break points can join to another molecule and form and an oxide side chain or link together chains of damaged molecules In addition to making the molecule more polar, and generally making it useless for our purposes,  the formation of the  polymere of an oxygen bridging together to two molecules at the nitrogen or almost any free end. Whatever the  case the molecules attract ions that make them more water soluble , producing a low yield and a larger emulsion. You know what else it does, It holds down the polymer emulsion that will mask your interface completely by inches. This will hold it into the polar completely allowing all of the fuel layer to be separated. Fuck with the best, Die like the rest.
	redtail9 (Stranger) 12-06-00 17:13 No 72936		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			been reading this post alot and I have a couple of quick questions, some of them might seem dumb but I wanted to make sure I have a real good understanding of what is going on here before I recommend to my friends to try this. 1. Isn't naptha a non polar and if it is wont the 1st part of the a/b be complete? or will ther be a need to seperate the three layers, np, water and meth? 2. If the meth is in the naptha can't you just gas the meth out? Thanks for the clarification
	fudgemonkey (Hive Bee) 12-06-00 17:37 No 72939		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			i have been watching this thread becaus it's just like  what the trainer taught us to do (in between bananas..). The H2O2 is new to me though. It seems to me that the stuff could do a good job of destroying ephedrine preferentially. I tried this out on a 180g RP/I batch that was given to me after the cook got 55% yield, and I said what the heck, I got nothin better to do (no tire swings in site) so I dumped the colemans fuel ,which had been gassed,back onto the crap soup, shook and PHed, which came to 10.8. I heated slowly while adding peroxide ( I calculated that there was possibly 162g - 89g, or 73g left, theoretical. with 15 tied up simple in the aqua layer, that left 58g, or about 1/3 mole. So I figured the max h202 I could use to get freinds out of soup was <1/3 mole, or 11 grams. about 33 ml of 3 %, which seems like a lot of damn droppoeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Sorry, sleepytime. Anyway, LOTS OF DROPS!!! How many big W?
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-06-00 20:14 No 72976		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			redtail9 ?????? Don't recommend, Read again. Good this time. Fuck with the best, Die like the rest.
	PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN / Eraser) 12-07-00 03:09 No 73073		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			due to lack of enthusiam I will suggest cold kerplunking then perhaps ya will infact like this statment.....Given the astoundingly simple synthetic process required to produce these compounds, and the fact that the 4-halogen substituted aryl derivatives would require precursors unlikely to titillate the interest of law enforcement agencies, these compounds will most probably be made in future clandestine syntheses. A nice cold kerplunk might be more in mind perhaps muratic acid would work or perhaps instead of heat/gas phase try perhaps try it cold in liquid phase??  Um these really are beginer stratagies are they not?  lastly beware of strange addatives in the mix specificially antagonizing your nervous system ever hear of being innoculated aginst your knowledge? ------------------------------------------------------------ Worlock RU there?? pleeze tell these folks what ya really are trying to do because it seems they do not get it yet, perhaps i willa again try to help them along without making them fall on their faces then? I belive the Man sayts like he wants some go fast and funky type steff, see if ya add stuff like halogen cold crating para ortho addations as in gassing it, then adding the oh grouops, then this makes stuff like oh addations to where the haloids were attached so now that ya have oh groupos ya might in fcat end up with omethy attached to them in a real easy simple procedure, even though this all sounds simple its more like being one the darkside of the moon without a space suit behaps beaming them upo would be a good idea at this point? Amethystium
	PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN / Eraser) 12-07-00 03:14 No 73074		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			try to rember we are not ussing brand names rember the accuasition bord statment?  do not reveal sources,,,um the synenomous response could be included um white gas petro napatha um um other stuff specificiallly revealing any um lighter fluid its non polar right??? by the way these all work and further more if cold the phases reverse, thus water floats and oil/nonpolar stuff floats, now it might be interesting to start discussing density profiles concerning clorosolvents in such I have seen thus multiple layered configeration and transitory states,etc etc really who mentioned adding water anyways???  I thought the whole idea of cooking it was to basicially easilly remove the last few bothersome traces of water easilly and quickly after having had done and acid base clean up? Amethystium
	PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN / Eraser) 12-07-00 03:45 No 73083		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			gee gosha olle i hate to ruin a great day but in all there are problems associated from going from meth to the more interesting halciono compounds much better to in fact start such a procedure from plain old amphetamine.  One could easilyy methylate stuff with increasing tempatures perhaps one could go dirrect from the amphetamine hcl salt to easilly methylate that to the meth but perhaps instead one want to use freebase then para halogenating that previousl;y then one would simply try the same and expect different resultants alltogether not atainable from meth propper, thus ussing the amphetamine freebase one goes for the para halogen freebase thus methylating tht in kerpluk or modified kerplunk see adding hoho does in fact do stuff after all sometimes good sometimes not good either way youy can bet yoyur  doollars ya will more than likely get something different every time unless your a purist and or a record keeper?  the methyoxyparaamphetamine is proally four to ten times stronger than mescaline anyways the methy counterpart is not halucinolike at all seems or less so than mescaline perhaps though this gets you high? Amethystium
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-07-00 07:02 No 73179		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Its easer to understand your post when I drop an F-Man translation tap, give me a half hour and I'm sure as always I will agree with what your saying.  Stand by Houston, T-20 minutes and counting. All go for throdle up. All Reserves to maximum & pressure is holding steady. Fuck with the best, Die like the rest.
	fudgemonkey (Hive Bee) 12-08-00 20:57 No 73655		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Perhaps my question got missed, or maybe I only DREAMED I asked, but how about adding some QUALITY to this post by expounding on the QUANTITY your talkin about. How many drops Interval between drops etc I saw a fascinating thing when trying the perox. at a certain point the freebase looked like it was "crawling" out of the aqualayer, worming up the sides of the flask and erupting from the center like the naptha was to saturated to hold any more. Another point of interest, FM will continue adding lye till the whole bottom layer locks up upon cooling. When peroxide was done, the layer became quite thick BUT IT WAS STILL LIQUID! oPEN THE HOOD on this one W. Inquiring minds wanna know. AM/Fmonkey
	Hematite (Newbee) 12-08-00 22:17 No 73678		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			That's how I always found naptha to be regardless of surroundings. It's the laziest solvent I've seen, is that a chemically accurate way to describe a solvent I wonder ? Regards, Hematite.
	PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN / Eraser) 12-10-00 17:46 No 74117		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			well, fm does has done such w lye but ther are preferential methods and he dont prefer ussing that regent naoh, he continues to add ca cl to it untill it locks up alas forming after gassification some sort of heavy solvent to wich the rocks float upon these are simply removed poured out and or filtered any excess salt now assumingly it being in the form of caoh? well anyways it is stuck to the bottom .  What fm really thinks of course knowing personally having spent some time getting to know eachother----this is how ya make gogo or"MONSTER"  there is in fact a monster guarding that treasure over there. Amethystium
	fudgemonkey (Hive Bee) 12-12-00 23:02 No 74804		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			I thought I was FM.... BTW: pnvrt_nc8, I am onto your isomer. Having produced such in a fair quantity, I know where you are at. Zwitterion definately, why change you know your right there!! But mine was PINK!!! Perhaps that is where the isomer shows itself. When floating above, it was TALKING to me, AND IT WINKED!!! Really, I got it! FM (II?)
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-16-00 03:11 No 75581		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			[/quote]Perhaps my question got missed, or maybe I only DREAMED I asked, but how about adding some QUALITY to this post by expounding on the QUANTITY your talkin about. How many drops Interval between drops etc Referring to: I can tell you what CM seen. He drops a couple and sweril the flask, as soon as the black breaks up and disapates he does it again Maybe 2 min between, add little more Naoh, swerl around abit, start driping 3% H202 again until eather PH starts milking or the black on contact quits, witch ever comes first, most of the time it's the Ph. Another point of interest, FM will continue adding lye till the whole bottom layer locks up upon cooling. When peroxide was done, the layer became quite thick BUT IT WAS STILL LIQUID! [quote] Your turn, Tell me what your yield was, & tell me what the "BUT IT WAS STILL LIQUID" means. I don't understand. (Not a solid would be an assholes remarks) what would yours be FM? [shit]Http://Gofuckyourself.com[/shit}
	Worlock (Tweaker God) 12-16-00 04:32 No 75616		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			XS peroxide will tear up the molecule. It is worse in acidic solution. The NaoH  is slowly added at a rate that prevents it from shooting out the flask. The peroxide use is minimal, or dispense with it totally, maybe 10 drops / oz  Some claim toluene to be superior to naptha. Re-crystalization done at rapid speeds defeats the whole purpose, which is to form a crystal devoid of trash. It is the slow digestion, that remodels the crystal and perfects it. If recrystalized rapidly the crap gets trapped in the matrix of the crystal, and nothing is gained. The fluids left over from the recrystalizing process are saturated with meth , but also contain high levels of toxins. I have found that if the fluid is evaporated away, the dry material may be added to the next batch of meth to be steam distilled and this will clean it up. It seems that steaming the meth is SWIMs standard approach , the purity is great, it takes more time(few hours), requires additional setup of equipment, but the result is well worth it. Worlockium http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-17-00 09:18 No 75885		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			If starting at 10 pH its not acidic so that's not a factor.  Why do you answer the questian now, I asked it when you first posted this. No responce ?????     Why is toulene better, It doesn't even act the same, meth desoliving easer in toulene, never gets the movement through the repair liquid.  As far as naptha being lazy, Heat makes it work better, I would use toluene if no heat was applyed  20 or so batches later you answer a questian. I am happy with what I found out doing this on my own. Were does recristalizing enter into this. ???? [shit]Http://Gofuckyourself.com[/shit}
	fudgemonkey (Hive Bee) 12-17-00 18:55 No 76006		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			What I meant by "STILL LIQUID" was: WHen extracting via A/b procedure, monkeys are very free with NAOH and stingy on dope. We heat the whole flask, slowly adding NAOH (dry, 1/4 tsp at a time, stirring till disolved) and looking for the "full indicators". With colemans, that means a thick refraction layer on top, an almost pea soup green color (the wall behind my fun with chemicals set is EXACTLY this shade, heh heh). On the last pull, the aqua layer will be quite obviously oil free (color once again) and THAT is what I was talking about. Upon cooling, the layer will lock up solid with sodium Iodide chrystals. After the same PROCEDURE, BUT ADDING H2O2, the layer remained liquid till I disturbed it, when it went Immediately to lock. I am wondering if this is the reason for the H2O2. As for the tol being better thing, Monkeys suspect that local supplies have been tampered with. Monky set up with tol from reg supplier, and upon opening can, monkey smelled soething that shouldnt'a been there. Tol also left ash and what looked like tar on foil. bad batch ruled out as two other suppliers showed the same type of impurities. Anyway, while the idea of adding h202 IS an interesting one, it seems that the reasoning behind this one still remains a mystery. The emulsion free layering is obtainable simply by using better filtration previous to this step. Step up to the fudgemonkey.
	fudgemonkey (Hive Bee) 12-17-00 19:31 No 76014		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			rats, missed a couple in my haste. Referring to: & tell me what the "BUT IT WAS STILL LIQUID" means. I don't understand. (Not a solid would be an assholes remarks) what would yours be FM? Not a solid, of course .... As for yield, monkeys stay in the early 70's on RP/I pretty consistently. Typical yield of 3 Oz + a few monkey treats from 130. Didnt really see a lot of difference in the YIELD, but I think I may be on to something about this one, and I dont think its about yield. Gotta tap the ancient repository of cooking lore. Right down the street from Pop-eye.... hows THAT for coincidence....? Jacked, e-mail me "myname"@ziplip.com, I got a private 411 for ya'. You DO remember my name, doncha? Monkey added the perox gradually, didnt count drops, but would estimate  about 70 or 80 (works out around 20 per O) As stated, you keep adding those drops for a while and it dont look like much is happening. Then you add that final couple drops and BAM! All hell breaks looose and the dope JUMPS into your naptha. It's really quite a show. Jacked, I'll answer other ? for you in PM. *  Rollin' , in a stolen, Five point O. (mustang 'vertible) Top down LOW- 'cause his homey's got B.O... copyright 2000, funkymonkey productions
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 12-18-00 08:52 No 76091		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			I get it now FM " not a solid " hahaha, the rest was not ment for you but thanks, I do notice the same thing you have so I guess I'm in the groove. The outcome is cutting the groove, thats for sure. I'm tyired of this already need to start making bills themselves, no forum for that & its too easy. In the beggening there was man, God seen man needed a partener, so God made Speed
	SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 02-15-01 14:50 No 173440		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			in reply to: ___________________________________________________ because of the nitrogen =NH they are capable of hydrogen bonding a very strong, ionic bond with water, mediated mostly by the activity of Chlorine, or sulfate,or whatever anion is being used. ___________________________________________________ SWIM is messing about with Pfed sulphate and would like to know if the sulphate moleceule is OK to have in thr rxn. Most bees using sulphate use the freebase, and SWIM was advised that advise had been given by Worlock in some old thread, not to use sulphate in the rxn. In the above excerpt from the famous "Kerplunk" tome, Worlock would seem to assume that the sulphate might bee used in the rxn. Is it OK or not?? Aint chemistry FUN?!
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 02-16-01 01:03 No 173521		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			H202 kills off the unreacted E and weak broken molecules from the RXN, It obvious does not hurt the meth molecule at a Ph of 9 to 10 because of yields of excellent gear recovered. Toluene, does not work as well as naphtha, Kids have tried it out, Now the kids do use toluene on the 2en & 3rd. pull because they are done cold afterwards. I herd that the sulfate ion interferes with the production of HI. I don't know though. I guess you know about A/B'ing and making an Hcl out of it. Its nice to do an A/B with the sulfate, I have never seen a more cleaner, or easer A/B with this stuff sense there is no deterrent added as of yet in this area. The Underground Hive lives on "UH"
	SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 02-16-01 05:02 No 173540		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			in reply to: _________________________________________________ I guess you know about A/B'ing and making an Hcl out of it. Its nice to do an A/B with the sulfate, I have never seen a more cleaner, or easer A/B with this stuff sense there is no deterrent added as of yet in this area. ________________________________________________ Well yeah, in theory, however SWIM has never had satisfactory results when A/B'ing Pfed. Probably just the small scale he does things on. Anyway, SWIM wonders if the HCl salt could bee formed directly from the sulphate by adding Calcium Chloride to aqueous Pfed sulphate? Would the sulphate bond with the Calcium and crash out as insoluble Gypsum? Would the HCl salt of Pfed then form in the solution? And if so, would the same processes take place when done in methanol? Aint chemistry FUN?!
	mr_pyrex (Head Coach) 02-16-01 06:23 No 173554		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			The following is only a educated guess and may not be entirely correct, but I am fairly sure that wouldn't work...re-Calcium Chloride, etc..  You can use any form of Psuedoephedrine as a source for your precursor,in the case of Sulfate...neutralize the sulfate salt by dissolving in H20 and then bring up the ph and extract and lastly reform the HCl salt by your preferred method.  And to answer the question as to whether or not you could use sulfate in the rxn....If it is a reaction involving HI as in push/pull....NO it can't be used in that reaction, if you want a successful reaction.  I don't remember the exact scientific explanation, but I can defintely remember that it WILL NOT work.  But you can gather pfed from any beginning source and then just use the freebase form or form the HCl salt.  Pyrex out
	SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 02-16-01 07:16 No 173566		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			in reply to: _____________________________________________ neutralize the sulfate salt by dissolving in H20 and then bring up the ph and extract and lastly reform the HCl salt by your preferred method. ____________________________________________ Erm, yeah, SWIM knows about A/B'ing, but like I said he just ain't very good at it with pfed at his scale. in reply to: ___________________________________________ whether or not you could use sulfate in the rxn....If it is a reaction involving HI as in push/pull....NO it can't be used ___________________________________________ Yes, this is SWIM's predispostion too, the thought of rotten egg gas etc. However SWIM's curiousity was piqued by Worlock mentioning sulphate in the Kerplunk text in the context of originating from Pfed sulphate. Searching the archives for info on this matter would bee a mammoth task, maybee Worlock could clear this issue up? Oh, and regarding the CaCl2 precipitation of the sulphate/formation of the HCl, SWIM is confident enough to give this a go. His interest in this method was initiated by an old post by Osmium where it was stated that mixing CaCl2 with Copper Sulphate in solution would precipitate CaSO4 and create Copper Chloride. SWIM is still reaerching this a bit but thinks it would would happen as a metathesis reaction. Shall keep you updated. Aint chemistry FUN?!
	SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 02-16-01 07:57 No 173573		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Update: Haven't done experiment yet but SWIM is now 99% certain it will work. He went to www.chemindustry.com and searched for Metathesis. Yippee, all the info in the links are singing the right tune so far. Aint chemistry FUN?!
	mr_pyrex (Head Coach) 02-16-01 16:17 No 173644		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Well if indeed it does, just goes to show ya that there is always room for improvement to one's knowledge.  By one's knowledge I do mean myself.  But I just couldn't see any kind of reaction with just those varibles mentioned.  I'll be interested to see if things do work out, good luck.  Pyrex out of knowledge
	PVnRT_NC8 (Hive Addict) 02-16-01 16:29 No 173650		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			well most excellent posts this is worthy of a print out first though I shall study all this data thankyou this all looks very very helpfull, I ma very very pleased with the direction this thread is most worthy of some study' man if we could get to this point every time we could start selling moon plots to developers?  GOOD WORK ALL!!!!6-1221 Amethystium
	PVnRT_NC8 (Hive Addict) 02-18-01 05:08 No 173990		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Allrighty have comprehended the dir of the thread......um this bee uses um dexsulfate um pharmo ussually sticking to the thirty mg reaction per ussual, this he does um ussing no water ussing instead meoh tone and white gas he thinks there is something in this gas to mainly copper and some ammonia making this gas look bluish, other than this there may in fact be added to this whit gas some a largish amount of co it seems this also will turn to a bluish hue.  Anyways ussing most dry salt mainly cacl the idea is to basicially issolate the amine from the garbage binders etc to create the cl ssalt if this even be possible.  Now upon reading he dare not differ from the advice or recomendation only to say hoho is used in very small amounts not big ammounts rembering this is a small reaction 30mg in about four cup reaction vessel.  thus anyways he starts to do a basic "CURE" prewashing the junk, then and this be done hot, accidently sometimes the other solvent is used on ocassion.  Anyways the is rinsed in hot meoh then hot tone sometimes these are used rather together to keep the amine from going into the meoh, anyways the dex sulphate is supoprisingly insoluable in just about anything and alas a new easy water extraction is perfected more on that later.....anywas then hot gas is ussed to rinse, um all this is saved in threee bottles, and further use is sometimes used rectcled the dirt is removed by freezing the stuff a wax like shit comes out and also simply letting it sit then some crap sometimes falls out simply pouring of the top seem to clean it up[the solvent] anyways it is desicated dry crackling dry a few times, it never is done the same way twice so there is a mixture of tone and meoh to this is seem to be added a bit of lye maybe a few grains mostly though threre is a goodly amount of cacl added throughout even durring washing steps, anyways it is heated up until it does in fact snow down from the np layer in nice snow flakes, then it is allowed to cool and slight swirling seem to lap up the good stuff into rocks, there is before this final stage, it the entire reaction is cooled before the final addation of a few grains of naoh, what happens in this prefinal stage is that the entire is gassed per foil and cacl and salt/muratic thus it the stuff is gasses and allowed to stand overnight, this is when the milky layer results it is semi solid looking milky and smeels different sweetish, this heavy solvent is "loaded" then anyways it is reheated up a bit of lye or most preferably I hate "lye" I prefer to use washing soda made from baking soda thankyou! Anyways upon reheating the soup maybe adding a bit of fresh solvent, the stuff like laps up into the non polar layer the emmulsion clears the stuff the bottomerost layer mixxing compleatly the phases begin to become one solid phase except for a tiny film that being mostly salt on the bottom and a tiny film of oily looking stuff upon that on the bottom the rest basicially bubbles and compleatly mixed it is now that it is turned off removed from heat this is stirred by hand to....now swirling the entire it happens just like a commet smashing to earth, slam the stuff heavy stuff the clorosolvent hits heavy laden with salt first, as this heavy solvent hits the amine can be see popping out flating boyant upon the clorosolvent looking like popcorn, or wax like, yes it grows clumping together like a magnet attracts metal fillings, never the less the lower layer gets biger and bigger not turning milky cause it is hot still, ya add cacl untill it is saturated hot, maybe adding a bit of naoh to salt it out I think not shure, it is not a fussy procedure to figure out it will though take at minimium ten times to perfect to any degree of perdictiabality] good luck! Amethystium
	SuperAssman (Hive Bee) 02-18-01 21:32 No 174088		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			in reply to: ______________________________________________ add cacl untill it is saturated hot, maybe adding a bit of naoh to salt it out ______________________________________________ Damn, it's hard to decipher your posts FMan. Anyway, SWIM did a little experiment with Pfed Sulphate and Calcium Chloride. He did a water pull of the Pfed pills and added DampRid(Calcium Chloride). Problem was, he was a bit "tired"(like 3 days tired) and made slight molar miscalculation of amount of CaCl needed. He added about 100 times too much! Precipitation of presumably Calcium Sulphate was observed. This was filtered out and certainly exhibited the physical properties of Gypsum. SWIM knew at this point that he had overdone the CaCl, so he decided to do an A/B to remove excess CaCl. When NaOH was added massive amounts of fluffy white marshmallow stuff precipitated. He assumes this was Calcium Hydroxide. This really glugged things up, so SWIM abandoned things at this point. SWIM will try again with correct amounts of chems when he gets a chance. [red]Aint chemistry FUN?!
	GED (Hive Bee) 07-28-01 11:24 No 199418		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			For the Bee looking for "Ker Plunking", here it is. Shit Howdy, Everyone :-)
	readyeddie (Hive Bee) 07-28-01 15:26 No 199458		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Swim would have to agree with placebo.If the starting material was clean and pure to start with why mess with something else that would not be needed.Swim steam distills his pseudo in his hydrodistillation setup.The end results is no gakk when extracting the meth base only a mirror image everytime.The yeild and the quality of the product is outstanding.The answer to the gakk problem is steam distilling the pseudo nobody likes adulterated product. The only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead!
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 07-28-01 18:57 No 199495		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			It's the answer to more than meats the eye..... Paid in Full
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 07-29-01 15:04 No 199679		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Referring to: If the starting material was clean and pure to start with why mess with something else that would not be needed.Swim steam distills his pseudo in his hydrodistillation setup.The end results is no gakk when extracting the meth base only a mirror image everytime.The yeild and the quality of the product is outstanding.The answer to the gakk problem is steam distilling the pseudo nobody likes adulterated product. No one likes shitty yields either, You must be doing pretty good with steaming pseudo, what's your yields and maybe a method of steaming, Last I knew there were 5 or 6 good bees working on steaming pseudo with, In my openion not satisfactory results.. One more thing were do you think one using this presedure is getting an adulterated product,  I'll put it like this. SWIM is getting 70% from pill extraction that is clean but not that clean, Now SWIM could A/B after that with an 85% recovery of the 70% mind you. After that get a 60% return after the RXN "STEAMING" I might add... As it stands SWIM starts with his 70% and after the RXN and this method of extracting gets as of yesterday 73% return, The product is METH, nothing else nothing adulterated, Just plane old product, You can agree with anyone you like, But don't sit there and tell me I have an adulterated product when you have never even tryed the process out. That's just plane stupid, I know you are smarter than that. Paid in Full
	readyeddie (Hive Bee) 07-29-01 15:51 No 199686		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Never said you had a adulterated product Jacked.Swim was just trying to say that the steamed pseudo deals away with all the bullshit. The only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead!
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 07-29-01 19:29 No 199721		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			No you never said I had, but the way it was written implied just that.. Yes, steaming will give clean results but this is about yield's as well, If two people started with the same amount of pills, one steamed and one used this method, I would lay money on this method producing a higher yield and sense my standards of quality are high, I would not accept anything other than top quality gear.... Besides all that it's only an extra hour to complete and is not hard to do.. I don't understand why there is such a negative response to it before it is even tried, If you don't like it don't do it. Why try and shoot it down because you do things different. Believe me if Swim could get the yield's up from steaming pseudo he would be steaming all the time. Swim still try’s different things in the effort to get steaming standard in his lab, He likes the idea and thinks it will be a standard one day, But yields will haft to come up a bit first, mean while.......... Paid in Full
	readyeddie (Hive Bee) 07-30-01 12:30 No 199891		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			oh swim has tried the ker plunking Jacked it does work never said it didn't.I'm sure their is alot of other bees out their that will say it works but it's just not for them the same for the steam distillation you know.Swim doesn't like all the solvents laying around and doesn't like the waste and smell of them during extracting.Anyway to get pure clean gear is a good method though. The only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead!
	dwarfer (Hive Bee) 07-30-01 18:36 No 199968		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			WHASSUP, Jacked: drop me a line if ya got the time. One of these days I'll actually buy a scale and take ya on wid' me vision-ware-in-the-microwave set up. 'Course 12 to 24 gms. feedstock is C/S amount by some standards: If i DON'T get it all on the first micro-steamed batch, I don't worry about it. Hell, it will still be there waiting to come over  the NEXT time the heat-vibe hits it..  Hot water extract, filter, throw it in on top of the last batch leavings: maybe a bit of baking soda to be sure... Set the sucker on 40 minutes, high: come back, A/B, gas, viola: done. ======== Being an eternal optomist, and a slob besides, i have saved in various containers miscellaneous liquids over time: most of which have dried out. At least ten were combined, heavily based, and extracted into xylene. That was put in the micro, on top of the water and baking soda. It came over first: all condensed with little odor, amazingly,  and provided the NP for the A/B afterwards. (A "free" salvaged ??12 to 16??  grams.. <Big time producer, eh??) This was far groovier than the same process from the pressure cooker, which was QUITE hard on the rubber seals... Loosen up!  ":<)
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 07-31-01 02:31 No 200024		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Well I'm still excited with it. I hope you have good results no mater what the method. Paid in Full
	Jacked (Ancient Alchemist Delux) 07-31-01 02:38 No 200028		Re: Ker Plunking for quality and quantity	Reply
			Finaly an old hero drops in and just in time....Man that's close to 70% not shabby at all friend. Enough for me to catch up and give it a try. I see the Paid in Full

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